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mm hmm ,

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mm hmm . Mhm .

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Welcome to half riders . I'm Dave

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Brandt , the motorcycle safety program

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Manager for the Department of the Air

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Force today , we're talking about

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riding environments and being prepared

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to ride . And I'm joined today by Tech

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Sergeant Gary Youngberg who is a Tech

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sergeant here on Kirtland Air Force

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Base and one of our Kirtland Air Force

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Base rider coaches . So Gary , go ahead

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and introduce yourself . Thanks . Dave .

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Hi , I'm Tech Sergeant Hamburg , I work

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at the Daph are C . O . F . S . Yoo

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here on base , just a little unit on

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the other side and um Yeah , I'm just

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here to share some experience with you .

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So today we're talking about planning

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and preparing for rides . Um the last

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24 hours has shown us that it's pretty

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important to be prepared for a ride

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here in Albuquerque has gone from the

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mid-60s down to freezing and snow and

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ice everywhere , closing things down .

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So it's important to be prepared . I

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don't think that our trip a few weeks

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ago , we probably planned for as well

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as we could have . So we want to talk

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to you about that today about being

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ready for long trips and what you

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should think about and consider before

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you go out there . Um so we're gonna

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talk about some gear , right , let's

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start with gear . So when we were

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headed there , one , we made sure that

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we had the right gear , we did , we had

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um , we had some cold weather gear , we

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understood we could , we were going up

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in some elevation . We have the right

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gear . I think we had the right

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emergency stuff on our bikes for the

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most part . Um , but on our way there ,

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we definitely didn't anticipate riding

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through rain the entire time . Um ,

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which happened . So that came in . Uh ,

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a lot of that gear came in handy on our

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way , obviously keeping us dry and warm

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on our way . We checked our bikes right

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as always making sure that they're

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ready to go . We were mentally and

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physically prepared to ride . I think

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we had some rest the night before . We

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had planned out our route and where we

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were going to think we had some

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emergency gear . Um , we've thought

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about some more that we're going to

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suggest to you today , but we had some

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tire inflation , some tire plugs , uh ,

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fire starter type things . Yes , and

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some first aid , which is also

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important . So when you originally sent

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me the plan now , how long have you

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been here ? I got here in august of

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last year , august , so not even a full

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year yet . So you send me a plan to go

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north of santa fe northwest . And uh ,

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and when I first saw the plan , I'm

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thinking a lot of dirt roads , right ,

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This should be fun . Yeah . didn't even

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register in my head that we were going

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up another 2500 ft um , which here in

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Albuquerque makes a very big difference ,

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not just on temperature and climate ,

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but also the environment and what kind

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of precipitation is coming down . So

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yeah , so we ended up 2200 ft higher

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than we thought and that's something I

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should have because I've been here for

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a while , I should have looked at and

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didn't even think about . So and

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obviously not something that uh , you

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looked at too much . No , because I had

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just done that a little road trip in

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that area that cuba new Mexico area and

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taken that road and I was super stoked

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to show it to you . And that was in

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what october I think . And then we went

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in december I believe . And it didn't

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even cross my mind that , you know ,

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it's 2000 ft would mean , you know ,

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the kind of weather we experience . So

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right , so we're gonna be playing you

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some clips here of our ride . I

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happened to be out recording while we

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were out there and so you all get a

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taste a little bit of what we ended up

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getting into . So we ended up in some

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dirt , um some mud uh , and that

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slowly turned into snow , which turned

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into ice as we got further in and I

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know we've had some discussions about

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that writer mentality and kind of going

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past our limits and I know that

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throughout that ride for me , I was not

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comfortable . I had not been off road

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um in 15 years really and I had not

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ever been off road on a bike , the size

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of the one that I ride . So there's

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weight , weight issues out there ,

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training issues , skill issues and as

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you were going along on the ride with

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much more experience in this department ,

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right ? I was following , so I'm like ,

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okay , well he must see a clearing and

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so we're just gonna kind of leapfrog

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from Exactly , that's exactly right ,

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and that's what happened . Um , but

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before we even really got into the

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nastiness , I was already kind of

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riding above my skill level . In my

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opinion , I should definitely have

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spent a day in the dirt before we went

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out on that trip to re familiarize

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myself , we realized my bike was not

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set up properly at all . Um , we still

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had traction control a bs on , I think

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we were in rain mode , the worst

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possible setup you could be in to be

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riding on these conditions , road tires ,

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road is bad and we did technically have

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hints that it was gonna potentially be

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worse because the road and then 1 26

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actually had ice on it and we had to

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like , navigate through that and

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sometimes , you know , picking the

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safest line through the ice doesn't

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necessarily mean in the appropriate

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lane or stuff like that , but when

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there's no other cars and you're on

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this kind of bike , you know , we have

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to , you know , apply different

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techniques to be able to get through

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that stuff . So definitely that was a

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big hint that I didn't really take as

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seriously as I should have . Um So a

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lot of considerations out there , I

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know one thing that we , we got buried

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into the woods to a certain point um to

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where I was too much for me and I

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decided we , well we both decided that

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it was time to turn around um because

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there was no other way to get through

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where we were going , there was way too

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much uh snow and ice and mud and

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nastiness out there , which got me in

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the beginning of the ride . So I was

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probably tense by the time we got to

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the point where I was really ready to

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go because on our way in , I had gotten

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caught up in some mud , so we were

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coming out of a clearing and I don't

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think I gave enough respect to the fact

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that the sun had melted all the ice at

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the edge of that clearing and turned

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that dirt into just slimy mud and on my

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particular motorcycle with the front

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suspension setup , the way that it is .

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Um , it took about a half a second ,

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which you'll see in the video for me to

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go from full upright to 100 and 80

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degrees turned in a ditch . So uh quick ,

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quick turnaround , but obviously that

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any time you go down it's gonna rattle

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you a little bit . Um , so I think I ,

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I had to continue to remind myself to

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stay loose and thank you for being in

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my head set , we were talking comms the

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entire time and with your experience ,

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you know , I appreciate you being in my

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headset and being like , relax , relax

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said , oh yeah , I gotta relax because

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stressed out a little bit . Um So yeah ,

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so we're a little tense by the time we

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had already really gone too far for the

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bikes we were on for the tires that we

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had and for the experience that we had

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jointly , Yeah , the collective

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experience level wasn't at an

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appropriate point for the conditions we

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were in and that's something that I

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should've noticed sooner and taken

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action on sooner and then there's , you

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know , there's the other side of that

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where when you ride with people that

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are better at particular discipline ,

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you want to push yourself a little bit

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and if that person is a good coach ,

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they'll help work somebody through that

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until they get past , you know , before

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they get past there comfort zone ,

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Right ? Absolutely . You do have to

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break out of your comfort zone a little

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bit . So with that when we were out

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there , the collective riding

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experience level wasn't at at an

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appropriate space for the environment

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we were in and that was on both of us ,

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right ? I mean , even for me , like ,

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it was not as it's not the conditions I

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would have chose to ride in , you know ,

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but I really wanted to challenge myself ,

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but I think I also got a little bit

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more , I don't want to say this like

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you definitely got ahead of me . I

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think your experience out there spoke

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to your ability to push a little

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further and I don't think either of us

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paid enough respect to , uh , my

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inexperience um , with consideration of

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time , I mean again , I hadn't been out

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there and forever on these things and

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you know , a dirt day would have been

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very good before we , we ended up out

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there . So , um , but either way we

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ended up pushing past those limits a

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little bit instead of pushing to , you

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know , the limits where we can actually

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work on control of our skills and

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things . And I think at least for me ,

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I know I was a little beyond my , my

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skill out there . So going out on

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Sundays and riding in the dirt in the

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last few weekends has really helped to

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re familiarize those feelings that I

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had completely forgot . It took me

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about five minutes out there to be like ,

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oh yeah , you know , you can slide the

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rear tire , you can like , you can do a

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lot of things you can do in dirt that

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we don't do on the asphalt and if , and

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again , we've spoken about it before ,

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if you're not improving your skills ,

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then they're declining skills are

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always moving and it's up to you to

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make sure that they're moving in the

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right direction . And so we had our

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little incident , we went a little too

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far and then we went out and got back

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on the dirt and now it's a completely

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different riding experience where the

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comfort level because the skill has

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risen and so it's a lot easier to do .

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So um So yeah , it's important to

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prepare , right ? And I mean that's

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what we're talking about these riding

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environments that can change and and

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being prepared while we're out there .

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So the few things we realized that we

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could have used out there and we didn't

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have was a GPS phone because we had no

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reception by the time we got where we

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were and tires , right ? The

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appropriate tires for that environment ,

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which we neither of us had . Um So just

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some considerations to think about your

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riding environments and where you're

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going and making sure that it's not

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just about t clocks in your bike , but

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it's also about making sure that you

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have the right equipment on that bike

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for the ride that you're going on . Um

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and I think it's the biggest takeaway

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for that . So , so when when should you

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turn around ? And that's that's a

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really good question when , you know ,

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you're pushing too far past your own

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limits , like how do you recognize that

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this is too much for me or I need to

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take a break because I know in writing

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we tend not to do that , we tend to

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keep up because we're always trying to

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stay as cool as the rider in front of

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us alright , show it , we're as good as

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the rider in front of us and yeah , I

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think a lot of it goes back to the idea

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of ride your own ride , definitely

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making sure that the group that you're

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gonna go out with , that there's a

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clearly established communication and

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boundary in that sense , so that's

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something that you and I could have

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done beforehand , and if they're , you

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know , safe word is kind of a weird way

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to put it because , you know , but if

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it , if it has to be like that , use a

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safe word , like , you know , if Davis

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said yeah , right , I

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do want to throw something out there

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when you did go down , we took a break

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and we recollected , right ? And it's

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one of those times that in just about

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any kind of activity sports or whatever ,

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if you fall down , you get hurt ,

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whatever , you can't let that hold you

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back , right ? So to me , the coach

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side kind of kicked in , I was like ,

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okay , let's take a break , let's

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recollect , get everything back and

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then I want you back on the bike at

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least for a little bit and then and

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then and then it right , and

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so , and I've had people , my mentors

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have done that , you know , to , and I

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think where I could have just maybe

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turned us around and that would have

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been the better move is after the fall ,

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just turn us around instead of going

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deeper . You know , we definitely knew

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there were some other roads we could

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have gone back on that probably

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wouldn't have been as , as bad as what

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we didn't know . It was the unknown

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that we , we thought we were getting

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into some , some riding that we were

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hoping to be in that just didn't happen .

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And so I think it's tough , it's tough

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to realize when you're at that point or

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that you're getting into too dangerous

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of a situation . Um , but it's

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important to think about out there and

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maybe if you're riding with someone and

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you know , you're going into these

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environments that are a little more

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austere and don't have , you don't have

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the help available to you should

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something go wrong , that maybe there

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should be a little more communication

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and a little bit more , just , you know ,

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this isn't a big deal . We can bail and

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hit another road . Um , so it's just

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that thought process and being open

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about it and , and I think it's also

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very important to just admit , hey ,

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this is beyond me right now and I'm

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okay with that . You know , you , you

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don't have to be the best rider , the

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fastest rider , you want to be as

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skilled as you can be as a writer ,

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which means again , you're growing

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those skills , not just twisting the

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throttle right , right ? So lessons

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learned , we learned planning . we've

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got to do a little better planning . We

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gotta pay attention to our elevation

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where we're going in the time of year .

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Um , you know , where we're at

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environmentally . Uh , we also need to

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know exactly where our way points are

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gonna be . Um , and I think it's

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important , we didn't do that . We

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didn't have waypoints and we didn't set

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up checkpoints where we can call either

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spouse or a friend or significant

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others , anyone who would know where

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we're at and if we hadn't checked in by

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a certain time , that maybe it's time

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to start uh finding some help for us .

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Um , so that's definitely something I

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want to do in the , in the future in

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and for any of these longer rides . So

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yeah . And then I think the only thing

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we could have thrown on was definitely

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a bike prep , you know ? Um and I think

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part of the bike prep would have been ,

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it would have came to the forefront of

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our mind if we knew what we were

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getting into , we went into this

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thinking gravel , a little bit of dirt ,

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you know which road tires , you can get

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away with mud , sand , ice , snow ,

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Yeah , not so much , not so much so ,

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but what I , what I love is that we

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both went through that we both have

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lessons learned and then we both went

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out the next week and practiced in

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similar conditions in a safer

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environment . So I know I took my bike

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out in the sand with same tires and

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learned how to turn , learned what

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happened when the front end gets lost

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and how to control it and then you did

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the same thing by re familiarizing with

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dirt and that's how you get better is ,

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you know , And this just is , it's ,

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it's , I I spent years on the dirt ,

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but I've also spent the last 15 years

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off of it . So what happens to skills ?

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They either improve or degrade , right ,

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They're always moving and so they

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degraded to the point where I don't

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even remember being under , so needed

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that refresher . So yeah , you're

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absolutely right . I think it's , it's

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important to set that example as writer

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coaches , be out there and be willing

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to improve . Um Always so Gary , thank

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you for joining us today . I really

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appreciate it . I appreciate your

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insight and thank you for helping me

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realize something's out there . Well ,

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while we were out there riding , I

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truly appreciate your time . Thanks for

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joining . Come check out our Daph Rider

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website where our podcast series will

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